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My blogging has been a bit sparse lately. It's ironic, though, because I've been thinking about a lot of blog-worthy topics lately. I think that my problem is that I've been arriving at more questions than conclusions. So this is one question.

I'm taking a course on classical mechanics this quarter. The main focus is on Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formalisms in physics, as well as some related topics like the calculus of variations, chaos, and rigid-body motion. The relavant point is that the alternative formulations of mechanics are entirely equivalent to Newton's laws. In fact, Newton's laws can be derived from the one simple postulate and series of transformations of Lagrangian mechanics. If these formulations are indeed equivalent, it raises the interesting question: how do we decide the order in which to teach them? The current state of affairs is to preach the Newtonian formulation as a mantra until the second year of the undergraduate physics curriculum, at the very earliest (less demanding physics programs may even postpone this until the third or fourth year).

Answering this requires that we define differences between the formulations and evaluate their pedagogical effectiveness. I will restrict myself to Newtonian and Lagrangian formulations, because that is what I know best. Newtonian mechanics is centered around the notion of forces causing acceleration on bodies (F=ma), from which the equations of motion may be calculated. I find two important characteristics in this view. Firstly, the form of the equations conceptually suggests that motion is determined by some sort of external agent on the system; the second law implies a causal mechanism. Secondly, Newtonian mechanics is coordinate-dependent. Consequently, it is invalid in noninertial reference frames, and has an explicit reference to the coordinates imposed on the system. The primary pedagogical implication of these two observations is that Newton's laws lend themselves to being intuitively obvious but rather tedious and awkward to use for all but the simplest situations. Even someone with an undeveloped physical intuition can understand the meaning and application of the Newtonian formulation. But this same simplicity, I think, can ultimately be limiting. The notion of what a force actually "is," I think is somewhat lacking. True, force is something proportional to acceleration, and I apply a force when I push you, but that doesn't really say much. What makes force important? It seems aesthetically undesirable to define our mechanics in terms of some quantity that we simply define for the job. The result is that students think of mechanics in terms of these superficial causal mechanisms that just happen to work for some reason, rather than being a result of the structure of space.

Lagrangian mechanics, on the other hand, is much more abstract and useful than Newton's laws. It has one postulate: the path that any particle takes is such that the action is minimized (where action is an integral of kinetic minus potential energies over a path). At first, this may seem more arbitrary than Newton's simple laws, but it seems that this postulate ultimately says something about the nature of space, whereas F=ma does not. Considering the transformations of a particular space, conservation laws follow immediately, and are not introduced in a sort of deus ex machina fashion. Furthermore, there is the advantage that it is, in some sense, independent of coordinates and reference frames: it works in noninertial systems and arbitrary coordinates, without much trouble. It also leads to tremendous simplification of calculations. From a pedagogical point of view, the downside is its analytical complexity: although fairly straightforward, it requires more advanced mathematics than the laws of Newton.

It seems that the teaching of physics follows a primarily historical development. We first teach Newton's laws, then E&M, then Lagrangian mechanics, then more advanced E&M, then quantum mechanics, then some miscellaneous modern topics, then after a review of basic physics in the first year of grad school, quantum field theory, string theory, and the latest developments. On some level, this makes sense. If man discovered physics roughly in this order, then the student will be able to learn everything in a perfect and logical progression from the historical approach, if you throw out a few of the logical inconsistencies. Everything will follow naturally from everything else. But the real question--the biggest question of all: is the historical approach the best? Strictly speaking, I see no reason why this answer should be yes. If our goal is to train physicists, shouldn't we be trying to force them to think the way physicists actually think? Doing this requires that physical intuition about symmetries, fields, and other important things be stressed from the very beginning, rather than slavish devotion to calculation of uninteresting and unmeaningful problems. There is this problem in physics education, where each class tends to teach something that contradicts the previous class. Special relativity contradicts classical mechanics, quantum mechanics contradicts both, QED supercedes quantum mechanics and electrodyanmics, and so forth. The historical way theories were developed requires that this always be the case to some extent. But it shows how the physical intuition developed at each level leaves one unprepared for the next level.

Considering these observations, it seems theoretically more desirable and useful to teach Lagrangian mechanics first, or at least treat Newtonian mechanics as secondary to it. But there is the practical problem of mathematical complexity. It is unreasonable to expect any more than a handful of high school students to comprehend the calculus of variations. Since most people take their first physics courses in high school, our program appears doomed to failure. But most people only get serious about physics in college, so we will limit ourselves to that stage. I see no reason why there could not be a small class for highly motivated students of physics that starts immediately with Lagrangian mechanics. I am effectively in that situation right now. I was able to place out of the first-year honors physics course, and I started with a course on elementary quantum mechanics (which incidentally was extremely easy) and this current classical mechanics course. There are many first-year students at good colleges and universities possessing the mathematical machinery needed for such concepts. The rest of the students in physics could continue with their current Newtonian-based, historical program, which seems to currently work okay, and which might be more approachable.

Lastly, I will anticipate one major criticism of my plan: abstractness. All you boring people say: this is too abstract! As we teach children arithmetic, then fake algebra, then calculus, then analysis, then abstract algebra, etc., so it is with physics: we must start with the most concrete, then work our way up. You say: analysis is harder than doing those stupid integrals from calculus, so it must be taught later. But is it really harder? Or is it just harder because your mind has been indoctrinated from day 1 to think of all math in terms of 1st grade arithmetic: if I follow a set of rules, I will calculate the correct result--the end? This is the general question I have been thinking about lately: why do educational programs move from concrete to abstract? Can people learn something by starting with abstract concepts, and developing the concrete applications later on? For a lot of aesthetic and practical reasons, I think they should if they can, but I don't know if it's possible. I really have no idea what the answer to this question is, nor how to answer it.

To finish off this discussion, here is one piece of anecdotal evidence that I have thought about a lot. It turns out that the University of Chicago's mathematics department is a fantastic place to be an undergraduate, for many reasons. One of these reasons, I think, relates to abstractness. Each year, all first-years take this mathematics placement exam that covers everything from arithmetic to analysis. The students who are very good at math and have at least some experience with basic calculus are placed into this year-long course colloquially called "the 160s" (i.e. honors calculus). From the very start, they only study the theoretical aspects of one-variable analysis: sorts of things like sequences, compactness, continuity, integration, Lebesgue measure, etc. Everything beyond the 160s is similarly abstract. In other words, abstractness is taught from day 1. People do quite well in such an environment; they tend to love it. It is a revealing fact that the U of C has more undergraduates who major in math than in english. This is opposed to most places, which have this battery of computation-centric courses on differential equations, multivariate calculus, and linear algebra, which are sometimes fun but not very abstract. They're useful for things like physics and engineering, but its the kind of thing that any competent physicist or engineer should be able to pick up "on the street," so to speak.

I'm not sure if that says anything definitive about my final question, but it suggests that abstractness isn't always unnatural or counterintuitive to the unintiated mind.

6 Comments

Quark said:

It seems to me that basing the physics curriculum on its historical development mostly ends up coordinating with increasing difficulty. Although I have no experience with Lagrangian mechanics, I have a feeling that in inertial frames of reference (which is pretty much all you use initially), Newtonian mechanics is easier. And by following history, there's another sort of aesthetic that comes out of it: just as physics grew from Gallileo, then Newton, and so on, our knowledge follows the same route.

Also, our school has a similar math sequence, I think, called "the 170's," also the honors calculus sequence. And people tend to hate it, at least in the first semester. My roommate took 171 last semester, but now he dropped out of the sequence to join me in Linear Algebre w/ Diff. Eq. Maybe UR students just aren't as abstraction-minded as UC students.

adamjanderson said:

Aha! I think we see my point here. Many people hate this sort of abstraction when they see it for the first time. Why? Perhaps (I don't know for sure, but I'll hazard a guess) it's in part because they are taught initially to think in a way that is different from the abstract. My experience is that people who stick it out for awhile eventually come to love it. After all, that's how we end up with mathematicians. Obviously there are those people who just aren't good at abstract thinking, and who learn better other ways. But is the set of people who are good at abstraction just limited to the tiny fraction of the population which become mathematicians?

I haven't figured out how to answer that yet.

I'll grant that you're right about Newtonian mechanics being "easier" in the sense that it's more obvious and mathematically less advanced. But the inertial reference frames are crucial. Newtonian mechanics doesn't work properly in noninertial frames. You have to add all sorts of crap to account for ficticious forces like the Coriolis and centrifugal. Lagrangian mechanics requires no extra effort (from my understanding) in such noninertial frames. So the reason they limit the discussion to inertial reference frames is because *Newtonian* mechanics is easier that way, not because Lagrangian mechanics is harder in such frames or more convoluted in general. The only complication with the Lagrangian formulation is that it requires some mathematical machinery to derive and set up properly (you have to minimize an integral and deal with some straightforward partial differential equations).

Quark said:

Well, there's your answer right there. Most first-semester freshman don't have any idea what a partial derivative is, much less how to solve a partial differential equation (I don't really know how to do that yet, even). For Newtonian physics in inertial frames of reference, at least the way they teach it, you don't need math beyond rather basic calculus. Basically, the physics curriculum is dependent on the math curriculum, and changing that is another whole discussion (which I believe we already had).

adamjanderson said:

I'm sorry; I made a mistake. There is no solving of partial differential equations involved. The only differential equation that needs to be solved typically reduces to first order and can be solved by separation of variables--a skill that first-year students currently perform in both in math and physics at this level.

That being said, solving this Euler-Lagrange equation that I've been talking about involves taking two partial derivatives. First-year physics students do this already when they take gradients of potential functions.

Quark said:

I guess I've so far missed out on first-year physics, as I started with a sophomore class. I also have absolutely zero experience with Lagrangian physics, and just saw that Euler-Lagrange equation today (in economics, actually).

Anyways, you're probably right, as usual, and again as usual, I'm just trying to be contrary. But I still like to think, there's probably a better reason that things are the way they are than you give it credit for.

john said:

Your post seems almost like such a "deja vu" moment to me because I pondered the same issue at the same time in my life with similar conclusions.

However, time has proven my early conclusion wrong.

For some people, abstract reasoning comes naturally and for others it does not. It's not a question of intelligence. Some people are just better and some things and worse at others. The fact is that most people have trouble with abstract reasoning.

P.S. previewing my post in your blog shows 5 copies of my post -- maybe you need to exercise your absract reasoning to fix your blog :-)

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